Saturday, February 21, 2026

MrHonda does a 1961 CB77 2.0 part 3

 

The NOS wiring harnesses were laid over the frame and little aluminum wire bands installed. With the rear fender in place, the modified tail light was bolted on, then the wiring problems began. The tail light wires feed into a channel on the left side of the bike, where they meet the wiring harness next to the rectifier and fuse holder. Feeding the blue and white tail light wires into this channel always seem to be a problem. In this case I had to insert a piece of thick steel wire to clear out any blockages in the channel, then attached a smaller thin wire to one end and pull the wires back through the fender channel successfully. Trying to feed the wires in, one at a time, were not successful. Of course, all the attachment points for the tail light base, the tail light bracket, the rear fender and then to the frame all had to be ground away so there would be a sufficient ground path for the tail light functions.


Up at the headlight shell, the wire connections were made but the starter button wire was a thin, 22 gauge wire that had been spliced in with some tape over the little plate that holes the contact button. I pirated a new wire from a Benly starter button housing and filed it down to fit. Reusing the dimmer switch which was on the bike required some extra wire repairs.

The NOS, newly powdercoated front fender installation was a chore as the mounting bracket hole on the right side was off about a millimeter. Then, the fender braces had to be wrestled into place. One end of one brace needed to be filed down to clear the end of the fork slider.

With wheels, an engine installed and fenders attached, it began to look like a real motorcycle once again. The bike was picked up on November 19, 2025. So, three months later, it is getting closer to completion.


More challenges arose as the incorrect speedo, having been just freshly rebuilt wouldn’t fit into the correct 1961 CB headlight shell. Part of the front end replacement included a later headlight shell which isn’t a match for the speedo with a high beam indicator. I really didn’t pay attention to how it was installed previously, but it wasn’t a match anymore. I contacted my good friends at Foreign Speedo to request putting the other 1962-63-ish speeedometer into the hurry-up queue. They responded with a finished product in about a week and it was a beauty with an HM logo on the face and a stainless steel bezel. A correct speedo packing came in from Thailand, so it was finally taking shape again with the correct headlight shell nestled into the fork bridge.



    Incorrect speedometer fitted into a later model headlight shell. Now replaced with correct parts.

For some reason, a correct clutch and throttle cable seemed to be in short supply for the early handlebars, so I ordered a set from www.cmsnl.com. They normally are able to deliver parts from Holland in a few days, but I got a note from FedEx stating that the parcel was held up for inspection of contents, probably meaning tariff charges. The package was delayed a few more days, then finally arrived looking like it had never been inspected unless they repackaged it at FedEx. A few days later a letter came from FedEx, which I feared was the dreaded tariff charges. Instead it stated that the fees were $.75 and it was not a bill. ?????

Moving along, the installation of the left side one-piece muffler was shockingly a mismatch for this engine and frame for some reason. The muffler was one of a set that was purchased from a seller back East for $300. Then there was $150 in shipping fees, but when they arrived, the chrome surfaces were all pitted. The mufflers went down to Mexico for replating, as they were new items and wouldn’t contaminate the chrome vats with old oil and gas deposits. Plating was $200 each, so now the “value” of the muffler systems was nearly $1,000. When the one-piece mufflers are created, the joint between the muffler body and the header pipe usually allows for some rotation of the muffler, but not any fore-aft motion. The left side bolt hole into the engine cases was about an 1/8” off and the rear mounting points were also incorrect. I had to slot the mounting bracket holes to get a bolt into the inside mount, but it still didn’t match up to the footpeg bracket hole.

I tried to double gasket the header into the head to see if that would pull the muffler forward, but it didn’t do much to alleviate the problem. More bracket mods finally got the rear inside bolt to fit into the bracket, but it was somewhat in a state of tension.

Once the clutch cable arrived, I could fit up the kickstarter cover, which had a machined bushing installed to remedy a loose kickstarter gear shaft fit. That was another $150 repair. With the kickstarter cover in place, the clutch adjustments were made and that allowed for the installation of the right side footpeg, the new rear brake cable and new brake light switch to be mounted in place. I prepared my self for another tussle with the right side muffler and was prepared to be disappointed.

To my great surprise, the right side muffler pretty much matched up to where the mounting points were on the bike. HOWEVER, I had overlooked the fact that the hole in the engine case where the long 8mm bolt holds the muffler to the engine was bored out to about 10mm. The hole was too big to fit an 8mm Heli-coil in and make it fit. Finally, I drilled the hole out to 12mm, found a 12mm bolt then cut the head off in order to make it fit flush into the engine case. I drilled a hole all the way through the bolt’s length to fit a 8mm bolt, but in the end the SAE drill bit was a little too big for the 8mm tap to catch threads fully. As a last resort, I drilled out the 8mm hole with the 8mm Heli-coil kit and was able to finally anchor an 8mm bolt into the engine case.

I discovered that I only had one exhaust baffle for the set of mufflers. Apparently I sold a set along with some CB used mufflers and only had one NOS one left. I put out a plea to the forums and a kind man offered to ship a good used baffle to me for free! So, finally we are getting towards the end of the long project, but then an electrical mystery arose. The tail light bulb comes on when the ignition switch is in PARK, but not when the running lights are ON. Everything else works except for that! The white wire goes from the tail light directly to the terminal on the ignition switch.

So, now it is left with installing an ignition system and firing it up! The carbs were cleaned and rejetted. A new correct thottle cable was secured and installed. The drive chain was installed and I can finally see light at the end of a long and dark tunnel. 

Bill Silver

aka MrHonda

www.vintagehonda.com



MrHonda does a 1961 CB77 2.0 Part 2

 BACK TO TO THE ENGINE



With the cases de-greased, I was able to begin a re-assembly of the bottom end. I opted to just use some Cast Coat Aluminum spray paint to use on the bottom cases, cylinder head and the top cover. Getting them all vapor blasted would have added another $400 to the ever-growing price tag. I rifled through all of the NOS transmission parts and managed to put together an upgraded transmission with all back-cut gears. The crankshaft was carefully reinstalled on the locating pins, being careful not to dislodge the main bearing pin for the rotor end of the crankshaft.

Even after soaking in a hot tank the leftover gaskets were stubbornly still adhered to the engine cases, requiring an additional 45 minutes of careful scraping and leveling off of the mating surfaces. When you come across the old asbestos-based gaskets, you will find them to be quite challenging to dislodge.

I used some Moto-Seal, which is equivalent to Honda Bond and tightened all the fasteners equally. The engine came with the bottom center front studs having plain washers and nuts vs. the cap nuts and copper sealing washers. There is a special long 6mm nut that goes together with the aluminum sealing washer for the bottom case, just below the oil outlet, however they were installed on the opposite side of the cases. There were a lot of little assembly errors discovered as I went along.

Once the cases were married together, the engine can be flipped over to add a new camchain guide roller. BTW I installed an endless camchain, this time, over the crankshaft before assembly. I fed it over the new guide roller and it awaited being pulled up through the cylinders and onto the updated camsprocket.

From 1960-62, Honda did NOT use a primary chain tensioner system for all of their 250-305 engines. I had to sift through my stash of parts to find a good shift shaft, which has to be installed before the primary chain and sprockets are fitted up. I was using a later rubber-cush drive clutch outer, but when I pushed it fully onto the main shaft, it started to bind up the shaft and clutch hub. I had to swap it out for another good used part as there was some kind of machining flaw with the other one.

I ditched the big 6 plate clutch pack, which has no retainer wire grooved fitted to the clutch hub. I have been upgrading the clutches to the later 1966-67 CB/CL77 clutch assemblies with a two groove inner hub to hold the 3mm Plate A and then a set of friction and steel plates in the next groove. I used some similar sized fiber plates, which are probably from a CB350 with lots of radial grooves and are only slightly thinner than the 268-020 OEM plates. The outer pressure plate has four angled holes to help evacuate the oil trapped inside the clutch assembly, which eases the tendency to slip.

I had a NOS clutch cover and oil pump cover for the left side, so replaced the old originals that were scuffed up and worn. All new oil seals were installed in the engine along with a NOS neutral switch. The oil filter received a good cleaning and new o-ring. It had about a 1/16th inch of crud built up inside the filter rotor. The clutch cover has the early small hole design, so you must remove the whole clutch cover to clean the filter rotor.

TOP END TIME

I thought I was all set with the newly-discovered .75 piston rings, but as I was installing them back on the cleaned pistons, I discovered that the top ring was actually a STD ring, instead of .75. I recalled seeing some various pistons in a spares box and luckily there were two .75 pistons with new rings installed. I transferred the top ring of one onto the 1961 pistons and then replaced the piston pins with NOS items that came from the NOS parts stash. I had difficulty getting the cylinders down over the piston rings on the right side and although I has scraped the carbon out of the ring lands on the piston, there was a little tight spot that kept the ring from seating deep into the ring land groove. A little filing of the groove finally allowed the ring to compress properly and the cylinders dropped down easily. I had the cylinders honed before installation and there were a few scratches on the right side where the broken piston ring was rubbing up against the cylinder wall, but it should be okay to run that way, I hope.

I think the machine shop did a bit of bead blasting of the combustion chambers on the head as it was all shiny and clean. I came up with a good used later model camsprocket and matching camshafts to replace the 3 lb original camsprocket. The rocker arms still looked good, so they were reused with the pins and the valve springs and all the valves, after they were cleaned on the wire wheel.

The completed head was gently slipped back over the studs and the camchain pulled up to meet the camsprocket. In order to assemble the engine with an endless chain, you must install the inner cam bearings in the head, then slip the camchain over the tapered side of the sprocket in order to finally lift it over the sprocket teeth. With the right side piston at TDC, the camsprocket flat with the punch mark must be leveled with the cylinder head surface and then the cams are inserted from both sides, as you match up the master spline sections together. The cylinder head must be secured with a couple of short 3/8 drive sockets and nuts on top to compress the head and base gaskets enough to allow the camshafts to be inserted into the camsprocket. Care must be taken to index the point cam mark at the top as the right side cam is driven into the sprocket splines.

It’s a tricky business, doing the endless chain, but reduces the chances of a master link failing. It is hard to find new camchains that come with a clip-type master link now. I have found that OEM Honda master links will fit into some of the aftermarket camchains once the chain is separated. Honda’s 250-305 engine share the same camchain length as the 350 twins and SOHC 750s, which all run endless chains.

Chassis powdercoat

Once I finished disassembly of the chassis, it was time to haul it all out to the local powdercoating shop to make it all black again, except for the fenders and side covers. I had to have a little piece of the chain guard bracket re-welded and the fork crown holes were welded up and the local polishing shop finished the welds off so it looks like a 1961 crown, instead of a 1962 version.

All of the nuts and bolts came off and went into a big bin for cleaning and reassembly. What I failed to notice was that the shocks were held onto the swing arm with 8mm bolts instead of the normal 10mm types. After the shock covers came back and the re-chromed lower covers were all installed, I noticed that I didn’t have the correct lower shock bolts. I ordered some grimy used ones from an eBay seller, but in the meantime I discovered a pair in a separate box of parts. After I cleaned them up on the bench grinder wire wheel, I discovered that they didn’t fit the shocks! I had noticed that the original shocks, which have alloy covers were steel instead, but it finally dawned on me that these shocks were from a CB160!

The problem with most powdercoating shops is that they are not fully tuned into which parts need to be covered up and which are not. I spent a couple of hours removing powdercoat from the inside of pivot holes, the steering stem lock housing and worst of all the rear shock bushings on the swing arm were burnt out and all that was left was the outer sleeve, still stuck in place and powdercoated around the edges.

I attempted to cut out the sleeve with a hack saw blade in two places, 180 degrees apart, but that didn’t work. Finally, I dug out a box of seal and bearing drivers and in the bottom was a small chromed steel slug with a hole in the center. The OD matched the OD of the bushing sleeve.

BYW, the little bushing tool had RH initials inscribed on the edge. This was part of the tools and equipment that I received from Bob Hansen, the “father” of the CB750 prior to his passing a number of years ago. I didn’t remember even having it, but I think the lower swing arm bushing for the CB750 rear shocks is the same as the CB77 part. So, thanks Bob, for helping me out in a difficult situation.

Not having a hydraulic press left me with few options. Finally, I used a tapered drill bit and knocked a small edge into the bushing shell. Using a deep socket to allow the bushing sleeve to move into, the little steel slug was positioned into the tapered hole and the swing arm held together all with both hands in my bench vise and I managed to square up the tool and tightened it all up. The vise handle is only a foot long so didn’t have enough leverage to apply serious pressure to the little tool piece. Once it was secured in the vise, I grabbed my trusty, spare CB77 fork tube to apply some more force to the vise and it slowly pushed the tool through the swing arm hole and out came the bushing sleeve! I applied the same strategy to the opposite side bushing sleeve and finally the holes were cleared out so new bushings could be installed. I was able to use the vise to push the new bushings in place. You have to install them flush with the swing arm surface or the shock clevis won’t fit down on the shock mount.

There were more difficulties with the steering damper parts. The bottom of the steering stem was not covered before coating, so more filing and grinding was required in order to fit the damper parts on the bottom of the stem. Honda used several different parts for the steering damper, including the bottom spring and the spring holder that the damper shaft is threaded into.

I have to turn the frame upside down in order to install the swing arm and the centerstand parts. Somehow I wound up with two of the longer centerstand bolts, instead of one short and one long on the side where the side stand bracket attaches to the frame. Sifting through various boxes of parts failed to unearth the short bolt, so I had to order one up from an eBay seller in TX. The bike was missing the centerstand when purchased, so I had to rob one off of the rolling chassis that I picked up in N. Cal.

There should have been a correct set of bolts on that bike, but the short one went MIA, so things have slowed down until a new one arrives. Installing the centerstand is tricky on these bikes, as the spring seems to be way too short when using a spring installation tool. I had found in the past that I could attach the short bolt loosely in the right side and hook the spring to the left side anchors, then use the centerstand as a lever to stretch the spring out enough to allow the long bolt to go all the way through the frame and bracket holes.

I did install a tapered steering head bearing kit for the stem to do away with the 37 little #8 balls from escaping in the original steering races. The upper stem bolts and hardware were NOS pieces from the Colorado parts stash. Those parts, in addition to the box of CB77 spare bits that I have acquired over the years are finally being put into play for this oddball project.

The wheels and brakes were all disassembled and cleaned. I actually swapped out the wheel assemblies from my parts bike stash from N. Cal, as the original rims were very rusty. I discovered a set of re-chromed spokes that had been stored away, so cleaned up the rims, de-rusted the brake drums, wire wheeled the brake linkages and reassembled the brake panels. I wound up using the ancient, but unused Michelin tires that were parts of the N. Cal stash, despite the shipping tag that showed a 1997 purchase date! The beads were so strong that I had to have a motorcycle shop install them. The bike is being revived not fully restored, so I am cutting costs where I can, just to get it running once again.


The assembly went slowly, as the needed small parts drifted in from eBay sellers, CMSNL and other sources. Once the centerstand, sidestand and swing arm parts were attached, the frame was spun over and supported by a long pair of tie-downs that were hung from an overhead rafter. I slid the rear wheel into the swing arm, temporarily, to help balance out the weight of the front forks and wheel. As that progressed, I had to figure out how to mend the missing battery box piece, which attaches to the front of the rear fender. A trip to Home Depot yielded a piece of sheet metal which I cut down to the size of the battery box and then flared one end to accept the fender bolts.


The holidays interrupted the powdercoating process, so the silver parts were delayed a few days. When they were finished, I was able to attempt the rear fender installation after removing the rear wheel again to access the forward fender bolt holes. I slid the metal repair patch back towards the fender and marked the holes. I drilled the new holes in the patch piece, bolted up the fender to the edge of the sheet metal and then used GOOP to glue the patch piece down to the remaining part of the battery box. Not pretty but you won’t see it, unless you remove the battery.


I rolled the chassis back off the bike rack and wheeled the engine over to install in the frame. Juggling a 115 lb engine on a small floor jack is always a challenge, but I was able to maneuver the jack enough to start the engine upwards into the frame mounts. Once the holes start to line up, a few big Phillips screwdrivers poked into the bolt holes help keep the installation process going until all the mounting bolts are finally installed. Once the engine was put in place, the rolling chassis was rolled back onto the bike rack for more part installations.

TBC

Bill Silver

aka MrHonda 

www.vintagehonda.com


Sunday, February 15, 2026

A Wild Week of Mecum and other surprises…

 It’s a 350-mile one-way trek for me to drive up to the South Point resort hotel for the annual Mecum Motorcycle auctions, featuring 2,000 motorcycles for sale. Prices ranged from $500 to $330k with Mecum taking in money from both the bidder and the seller, per usual. Not mentioned clearly is if the bikes have a title or not in most cases. If no title, the bikes are NV taxed at 9% of the sale price! I got hit with an extra $400 last year on my CB77 racer, so it is a heavy hit for most unsuspecting buyers.

That aside, it was another amazing year of bikes of all shapes, sizes, makes, models and years. Board track racers were selling for $100k, Honda Z50s for $10k and the pair of un-crated CB125S bikes sold for $25k! There is no rhyme or reason to what some bikes sold for. Harley Baggers were selling for $2500 in some cases. When I walked into the room on Wednesday morning an SL125 and SL175 both were hammered for $10k. The prototype CB750 belonging to “Mr. Sandcast” Vic World hammered out at $313k and the George Beale RC174 incredible replica went into the $330K range.

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                                            Mislabled 1961 CB77 #58, sold for $10k

I almost passed on making the long journey again, as I had no plans of buying anything and staying at the hotel was $90+ per night last year, even with the discount. The one big draw is meeting up with many of my friends and acquaintances, many of which go back well into the last Century. I sold some CB750 parts to Vic World back in the 1980s, when he was on the search worldwide to build his collection of parts to build up sandcast CB750 bikes. My friend Tony Moseley, who is a retired Kawasaki manager was last seen at Daytona back in the 1990s, as best as we could recall.

Part of the encouragement to drive up, was from a message from my friend Don Scott Peterson, who lives in N. Las Vegas. He’s been wrangling old Hondas for many years, rebuilding and restoring some rare machines, including the #2 CL77 some years back. Mr. Peterson contacted me a few months ago about encouraging me to come up and help him clear out his leftover Honda parts, as he was down to two final machines: a CL77 and a CA77. He offered to allow me to stay at his place for free, but the downside was that he was 25 miles away from the auction site, which turned into a 30 minute drive each way during the week. A round trip in my Tacoma worked out to about $6 in gas per trip. Costco was selling regular for $2.89 when I was there. I trekked back and forth during the Wed-Friday events, having dinner with a couple of groups at the end of the day.

Scott started to roll out his “leftovers” and I got the feeling that it was going to fill up my Tacoma’s bed and then some, so I ended up renting a U-Haul trailer for $140 for the one-way drive. The parts ranged from C200-early CT90 models, to various engine parts for CB/CL72-77s. The sparkling shiny alloy CL72 racing gas tank turned out to be a copy made in India, which was quite a feat of design and assembly, but there were a lot of details that were less than factory-correct. Still, they are impressive works of art, assuming that they will hold gasoline correctly. I worked with a customer who had a metal CL72 tank from India and the petcock holes were incorrectly drilled. It had to be re-welded twice to get it functional.

Other boxes of parts revealed a bin full of CB160 transmission parts, gaskets, wiring harnesses and other model-specific items. A number of 250-305 cylinder heads, bare and complete weighed down the truck bed right away. A lovely C72 fuel tank and headlight shell were already painted and ready to use. Other interesting bits included a set of big bore pistons (+3.00mm), along with a set of unbored cylinders and a crankshaft.

Exhaust parts included some rough Dream mufflers, a WEBCO straight pipe for an S90, and some CL72 exhaust pipes that were corroded around the head pipe bends.

Having already renting a 5x10’ storage space locally for the N. Cal-Los Gatos CB77 parts haul, it was clear that more space would be required. A call to the office mentioned ONE last 5x10’ space left and I could go on a waiting list for a 10x10’ street level unit. I asked them to hold that one and headed for home on Saturday afternoon.

I hauled the trailer and truckload of parts back to San Diego in about 6 hours, parking the rig in front of the house overnight. I joined my Sunday riding buddies for our morning breakfast ride and then came home, grabbed the truck and trailer, then headed for the storage company. The available 5x10’ was sufficient for loading up the parts. Thereafter, I returned the trailer to the local U-Haul store and was done for the day.

I’ll be adding various parts from the new supply to various forums in the weeks to come. I’m working on completion of the 1961 CB77 #557, so I can clear if off of my work bench. Because of my friend Tuan, who steered my onto the CB77 in Burbank, now I am committed to driving back to Riverside to pick up a 1964 CL72 which he bought and then re-sold to me, as I am much closer than Wisconsin.

So, it’s been a busy week in Lake Wobegon… sorry La Presa, CA. The beat goes on and the stories will continue.

Bill Silver aka MrHonda

www.vintagehonda.com